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Poster: Lance Burtcaster Date: Jun 12, 2008 4:51am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Question?

I've seen through different sources that the pre-1988 films of Burbank Studios fell during the temperarly demise of the studio in the public domain. Can someone confirm this and if they have some of these films, upload them.
Here are SOME off my sources on the internet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burbank_Films_Australia
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0787244/usercomments
http://www.amazon.com/animated-works-Burbank-Films-Australia/lm/R31TXDHXWIJQ68


This post was modified by Lance Burtcaster on 2008-06-12 11:51:16

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffVideo-Cellar Date: Jun 14, 2008 9:22am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Question?

This thread/question has already been asked before and, contrary to appearance, the films are not PD. Every Burbank Film has a valid US copyright and cannot be considered an "Orphaned Work."

The films are Australian and made after 1955 so they would generally be protected for 70 years from publication date.

The US Copyright has records of registration for all of Burbanks pre 1991 films. See -
http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?Search_Arg=burbank+films&;Search_Code=NALL&PID=D-FASF4dmEfWgqelYo7qe7obHP1v&SEQ=20080614075029&CNT=25&HIST=1

When the Burbank Films' parent Company "Film Funding and Management P/L" went into liquidation the distribution rights to the "Animated Classics Series":

001 Robin Hood.
002 20,000 leagues under the sea.
003 The Hunchback of Notre Dame.
004 The Man in the iron mask.
005 Ivanhoe.
006 King Solomon's mines.
007 Tom Sawyer.
008 Kidnappd.
009 The Three musketeers.
010 Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde.
011 The Last of the Mohicans
012 Don Quixote.
013 Rob Roy.
014 Treasure Island.
015 Black Beauty.
016 Prisoner of Zenda.
017 Westward ho.
018 Black Arrow.
019 Wind in the willows.
020 Around the world in 80 days.
021 Hiawatha.
022 Odyssey.
023 Peter Pan.
024 Alice in Wonderland.

were sold to "ABR Entertainment Co" and the copyright was later fully transfered to "Omnivision Ltd". These are now controlled by "Pulse Distribution and Entertainment" and administered by digital rights management firm "NuTech Digital". These titles are currently available in the US on Nutech's "Digital Versitile Disc Ltd" and "DVD Ltd" labels.

The Distribution rights to "The Dickens collection" and "The Sherlock Holmes collection"

001 Christmas carol.
002 Great expectations.
003 Tale of two cities.
004 Pickwick papers.
005 Oliver Twist.
006 David Copperfield.
007 The Old Curiosity Shop.
008 Nicholas Nickelby.
009 The Sign of the four.
010 The Baskerville curse.
011 The Valley of fear.
012 Study in scarlet.

were sold to "Rikini Inc" (later International Family Classic or IFC, Inc) who in turn onsold the films to "HS Holding Corp" who currently own the titles. These tiles are available in USA from "Liberation/Genius Home Entertainment".

"Alice Through the Looking Glass" was registered for copyright but is not mentioned in the transfer lists. It is currently on DVD in the USA from Liberty International.

There has been legal action between IFC and HS as a representitive of IFC continued to licence the films after the transfer of copyright. See http://www.peo7.com/peo/caselawsDetail42445/Page1.htm for an example of the legal action related to these 12 Burbank films.

Goodtimes video (now Gaiam) used to carry some of the Burbank Dickens films as well as a series of 1990s "Jetlag Productions" and "Golden Films" animated features based on the classics that are often mistaken for the Burbank films.

Burbank studios is still in production. The Burbank films are distributed by Payless Entertainment and Rainbow Products in Aus and new titles are handled by Whammo/Marvista Entertainment in USA.

If you want further clarification, you could contact Burbank Studios - burbank@burbankanimation.com

This does bring up some important points to remember. Just because it is on a dollar DVD, a dvd mega pack or on multiple budget labels does not make it a public domain film. There is cheaply available copyright programming that content providers paralell licence to multiple lables. Just like in the budget CD market.

Also only use the copyright office as a source for copyright information. Wikipedia and IMDB info re PD is extremely unreliable.

This post was modified by Video-Cellar on 2008-06-14 16:22:16

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Poster: LordOfTheExacto Date: Jun 15, 2008 9:06am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Question?

Thanks, VC. All three of the ones I have are on the first list, so I won't anger the copyright gods by uploading. :)

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffVideo-Cellar Date: Jun 16, 2008 5:06am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Burbank Films NOT PD

Just to avoid further confusion, I corrected the Wikipedia pages to include information about the copyright status of the Burbank films.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burbank_Films_Australia

You can also click on the links for the individual films in the drop down list at the bottom of the page. I updated them as well to reflect the correct copyright status.

This demonstrates the unreliability of Wikipedia. Anyone can contribute to it. Unless the information is properly cited it should not be taken as reason enough to upload a video and possibly cause the Archive some trouble. Information on Wikipedia will never be a valid legal defense.

An hour ago I wasn't a member of Wikipedia. Now I have altered every page related to Burbank Films with the correct copyright information. It's probably even easier to put incorrect info on there because you don't need to find credible sources.

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Poster: LordOfTheExacto Date: Jun 16, 2008 8:48am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Burbank Films NOT PD

"
This demonstrates the unreliability of Wikipedia. Anyone can contribute to it. Unless the information is properly cited it should not be taken as reason enough to upload a video and possibly cause the Archive some trouble. Information on Wikipedia will never be a valid legal defense."

No, but as long as you can have a little leeway in the precision, it's fairly accurate as sources go, because it's self-balancing. For every biased bozo there is an equal and opposite biased bozo. It seems to even out.

I'm in the newspaper business, and I often use it for preliminary research before I go elsewhere for quotable material.

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Poster: klewsew Date: Jun 16, 2008 4:15pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Burbank Films NOT PD

I'm afraid it doesn't even out. The biased bozo's are the ones that will enter their spin on a subject and the unsuspecting will just accept it. I could alter 100's of entries in one day and I venture a knowledgeable person may never see nor correct that entry. I also would not rely on Wikipedia as a reliable or expert source of information.

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Poster: Campfire Date: Jul 6, 2008 6:07pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Burbank Films NOT PD

I once saw an interesting interview with an actress, whose name escapes me, who commented finding some incorrect information on herself in Wikipedia, which she corrected. A few days later, someone had "corrected" it back to the incorrect information. She corrected it again, and she was "corrected" again. This went on four or five times before she finally gave up. People who "know" they are correct and the rest of the world is wrong are usually quite adament in pushing their "information". Overruling them with mere facts is usually a losing battle.

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Poster: LordOfTheExacto Date: Jun 12, 2008 5:11pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Question?

I think I've got a few of these on dollar DVDs. If they turn out to be PD, I'll give it a shot at uploading.

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Poster: Robin_1990 Date: Jun 13, 2008 5:56pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Question?

I don't know much about Australian copyright laws, But being Australian, I bet $5 the Nine Network will claim copyright on them, along with Charlie Chaplin's old films and "Roundhay Garden Scene"....

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Poster: Lance Burtcaster Date: Jun 13, 2008 7:10am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Question?

I think if you don't get a reaction within the week no one has found anything. Can you upload them than???

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Poster: LordOfTheExacto Date: Jun 13, 2008 11:18am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Question?

I could probably try one and see if there's an outcry. But I hesitate to cause the Archivists any more trouble than they've already got. Diana, if you see this, shall I give it a shot?